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Karate Jesus · Jan 13, 2010, 12:09 AM // 00:09

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Originally Posted by jiggles

When this skill balance arrives, you will all thank anet, and apologise that you were frustrated yes?

No, 60% of you will be right back here in the skill updates thread complaining about how bad anet are for nerfing their favorite skill. And the pvp'ers will be there complaining about how shit the new meta is going to be. Also, bitching never got anybody anywhere.

Again, you seem to be mistaken. Many people in this thread, including myself, have become so frustrated that we no longer care what they balance.

Hell, I don't care if they nerf/buff all of my favorite skills. All I want is a balance so the meta isn't so stale and boring anymore.

You need to move along now. You obviously have no idea what you're talking about

Symeon · Jan 13, 2010, 12:24 AM // 00:24

I've come to the conclusion that this is all a clever plan on ANet's part to make skill balances less frequent. The involvement of the Test Krewe is an ideal excuse for delays, as it appears to the rest of us that ANet is taking the time to listen to feedback and perfect the update, when actually, they've probably done the same amount of work on it in these five months as they did in one or two months previously. They're simply drawing out the process.

The announced change from monthly to bimonthly schedule has led to a five month interval. The update will likely be followed by a new announcement, something along the lines of how more time is needed for the Test Krewe to do their work, so the schedule will now be quarterly. There will then be a longer delay, of course, and as the GW2 beta and release draw closer, the balance schedule will be eased into half-yearly. Expect a full halt in balance updates no longer than a year after GW2 is released. If the Live Team still exists by then, they will be fully occupied with finding ways to scrape money from the game's corpse.

Sharkinu · Jan 13, 2010, 12:27 AM // 00:27

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Originally Posted by Karate Jesus

One that was promised to be delivered 4 months ago

2 months ago. The skill update is only 2 months late now. 3 months if it will be released in february.

Anyway, I just hope that this waiting will be rewarded and we will get a nice list of changes next month.

Miscreant_Moon · Jan 13, 2010, 12:35 AM // 00:35

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Originally Posted by jiggles

So this thread is pretty much this right?

Anet doesn't change something, they're bad

Anet changes something, but it isn't what 60% of the community wanted so them 60% whine about it, obviously Anet are bad

Anet thinks, lets invite a small portion of the GW populace to help us improve balances in the communitys mind, but adding extra time to the process. Anet are bad

Anet disbands the test krewe and goes back to the old way of doing things. Anet are bad.

It's a lose/lose for anet with 99% of this thread. I would also like to note that in all the time gw has been out, not once has it ever been balanced. This is because true balance in GW is imprcatical, and impossible. And if by magic it was achieved, 100% of the playerbase (no exceptions) would complain about how shit gw is and how they have to run the same crap as everyone else. And how things were so much better when one team build wasn't exactly the same as another team build.

tl;dr Shut up, and stop complaining.

So what you're saying, to recap, is that the community shouldn't do anything. And anet shouldn't do anything.

We should all just exist... with a dead game. With no updates. Because posting complaints won't change anything. And balancing a game won't change anything.

Brilliant strategy there. Bet that works really well for companies.

What you've posted is more hopeless and completely counter-productive than anything else in this thread. At least if we're complaining we're talking about the game. If we followed your plan than everything just fades into oblivion. Yeah, that's a preferable alternative.

Karate Jesus · Jan 13, 2010, 12:37 AM // 00:37

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Originally Posted by Sharkinu

2 months ago. The skill update is only 2 months late now. 3 months if it will be released in february.

Anyway, I just hope that this waiting will be rewarded and we will get a nice list of changes next month.

See the word I bolded up there? Yea, that's the word "update". We haven't had one of those in 4 months. We've had skill "balances", but they were like 2 skills and terrible.

Update and balance mean different things. Just a heads up.

jiggles · Jan 13, 2010, 12:45 AM // 00:45

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Originally Posted by Miscreant_Moon

Because posting complaints won't change anything..

Because so much in GW has changed since this thread started...

Karate Jesus · Jan 13, 2010, 12:48 AM // 00:48

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Originally Posted by jiggles

Because so much in GW has changed since this thread started...

At least we got an answer from Regina. With the current state of CR, I consider that a bloody fcking miracle.

Miscreant_Moon · Jan 13, 2010, 12:48 AM // 00:48

That would be the point exactly jiggles, of WHY people are complaining.

Sharkinu · Jan 13, 2010, 12:49 AM // 00:49

Last skill update was in September. They already said about bimonthly updates. The next one was supposed to be in November. That's 2 months ago. The skill update will be delayed with 3 months.

"skill update is 4 months late" and "we haven't had a skill update in 4 months" are diffrent things.

Chocobo1 · Jan 13, 2010, 12:55 AM // 00:55

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Originally Posted by YunSooJin

I would like the updates to come out asap just like anyone else. But to whine and moan to the devs isn't going to make a difference about how fast it comes out. The devs are paid employees and are doing their job without making GW their life ~_~. So chill the RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO out and let them do their job.

We've let them do their job for nearly half a year and haven't seen anything.

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I think the devs are doing us a favor by letting us know what's on their mind and agenda. Anything beyond that will happen as it happens. In addition to the hostility, there's always the finite possibility that the devs will recognize the overwhelming hostility as more counterproductive, and decide to communicate less.

The only reason they are communicating is to provide excuses. If you think they are anything more than that then I pity you.

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If anyone has ever worked on a large project, you should understand that delays delays delays and moar delays are always the issue. As long as they're not sitting around screwing each other or playing WoW or slacking off during the hours they should be working we shouldn't really have an issue. :/ Of course, if the delays become too long, there might have to be management change/more devs added, but I really doubt that's going to occur, especially since GW isn't the moneymaker it used to be (well, I doubt it is).

If you've ever had a job you'd know that if you miss a deadline, there are harsh consequences, probably resulting in you being kicked off the job.

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so, assuming the developers aren't fvkin around:
1) updates will happen as they happen
2) keeping us informed of what's going on is nice, but if people just take it as the word of God and spew invective and hostility maybe its not worth it so much..?
3) we'd like faster updates, but seeing as how GW is getting older, there's probably less of a chance of bringing in more programmers to deal with the issues
4) delays are part of any project ~_~

edit: regina isn't exactly the most interactive rep we've had so far, but honestly if you were the anet rep would you want to interact with these numbskulls? psh..

When is the hostility justified then? When it's a year late can we complain? What about two? Delays are a couple of days late, not months.

Axel Zinfandel · Jan 13, 2010, 01:06 AM // 01:06

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Originally Posted by jiggles

Then you obviously fall into the '40% of people I was not talking about'. I must have forgotten the world revolves around you

Let's get something strait. the majority of people here (and arguable a majority that play GW) like skill updates/balances. However WHAT is balanced/updated is a whole other ordeal. Just like how you can defend a person's right to free speech without agreeing with what they are saying.

We LOVE skill updates, but when they update something and make it so much worse then it was originally (Shadow Form), do you really blame the masses for complaining? It's frustrating for both sides.

However I think it's pretty much agreed here that almost HALF A YEAR is FAR too long to have this stagnant meta and overpowered, broken skills. It makes everyone wonder where the team's priorities are, what they were even DOING this whole time, and their silence (and excuses) are getting old, and is deflecting.

YunSooJin · Jan 13, 2010, 01:14 AM // 01:14

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Originally Posted by Chocobo1

When is the hostility justified then? When it's a year late can we complain? What about two? Delays are a couple of days late, not months.

I won't and don't profess to know what is going on behind the scenes; I am making the assumption that they are trying to do their jobs as best as they know how. If ANET is merely criminally incompetent and don't know their heads from their ass, complaining won't get things done faster. If they are not incompetent and the workload was just more than they thought it would be, or other things have popped up that force them to push aside work, then complaining still won't get anything done any faster.

The only benefit that bitching has is to focus attention on a particular problem when we feel priorities need to be shifted; I am sure ANET already recognizes that we want our RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing update, since we've been posting about SF regularly for the past half year and more. Any further hostility beyond this is totally counterproductive, and adds absolutely nothing to the debate.

There's a difference between hostility with a point that may effect some change, and hostility that will only further to sour relations or feelings between two parties. But in order to differentiate the two one must have a measure of maturity...

As for maturity.. well...

Miscreant_Moon · Jan 13, 2010, 01:24 AM // 01:24

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Originally Posted by YunSooJin

I won't and don't profess to know what is going on behind the scenes; I am making the assumption that they are trying to do their jobs as best as they know how. If ANET is merely criminally incompetent and don't know their heads from their ass, complaining won't get things done faster. If they are not incompetent and the workload was just more than they thought it would be, or other things have popped up that force them to push aside work, then complaining still won't get anything done any faster.

The only benefit that bitching has is to focus attention on a particular problem when we feel priorities need to be shifted; I am sure ANET already recognizes that we want our RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing update, since we've been posting about SF regularly for the past half year and more. Any further hostility beyond this is totally counterproductive, and adds absolutely nothing to the debate.

There's a difference between hostility with a point that may effect some change, and hostility that will only further to sour relations or feelings between two parties. But in order to differentiate the two one must have a measure of maturity...

As for maturity.. well...

Just as it is ridiculous to assume that nothing is being done, with so little information, it's just as ridiculous to assume that something is being done.

We have no progress that has been visibly shown. Telling us a long list of excuses i.e. sick, winter holidays, test krewe, mat, etc. is not progress. We have been shown absolutely not one shred of evidence that it is being addressed. And yet you fault those for complaining?

I'm not saying that nothing is being done, I'm quite sure even some test krewe members can vouch that things are being discussed. But to tell the community to just "keep waiting patiently" is inexcusable at this point. If they are NOT working on the skill update then what are they working on? Or is that an unreasonable request in your eyes as well?

Xenex Xclame · Jan 13, 2010, 01:34 AM // 01:34

So I guess being silent gets more things done then being vocal?

The one that did not speak, was the one that was not heard.

Turbo Ginsu · Jan 13, 2010, 01:37 AM // 01:37

You know what would fix all this? Valve needs to buy aNet. Think about it. When Day of Defeat and CS went to steam, we all screeched, but we learned to love it, and it's still with us, and so are DoD 1.3 and CS 1.6, which both receive regular, working(Most tend to think so) updates right alongside their hl2 engined versions, as do countless other neat games.

There's life for GW yet, it's just obvious that the NCsoft tie needs to be severed. Go Steam!!

Hey..It's just a thought.

YunSooJin · Jan 13, 2010, 01:58 AM // 01:58

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Originally Posted by Miscreant_Moon

Just as it is ridiculous to assume that nothing is being done, with so little information, it's just as ridiculous to assume that something is being done.

We have no progress that has been visibly shown. Telling us a long list of excuses i.e. sick, winter holidays, test krewe, mat, etc. is not progress. We have been shown absolutely not one shred of evidence that it is being addressed. And yet you fault those for complaining?

I'm not saying that nothing is being done, I'm quite sure even some test krewe members can vouch that things are being discussed. But to tell the community to just "keep waiting patiently" is inexcusable at this point. If they are NOT working on the skill update then what are they working on? Or is that an unreasonable request in your eyes as well?

Frankly, I think it would be more ridiculous to assume ANET employees are getting away with doing absolutely nothing for over half a year and are still getting paid etc/ not getting fired. But that's just me. If your complaint is about visible progress.. well boo hoo? What do you want them to do? Upload a video of them coding? -.-

I don't fault those who are complaining. I ask to use the brain the Almighty/Nature/w/e gifted you with and realize that acting like a retard when there is nothing to be gained from it is useless at best, harmful at worst.

Miscreant_Moon · Jan 13, 2010, 02:21 AM // 02:21

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Originally Posted by YunSooJin

Frankly, I think it would be more ridiculous to assume ANET employees are getting away with doing absolutely nothing for over half a year and are still getting paid etc/ not getting fired. But that's just me. If your complaint is about visible progress.. well boo hoo? What do you want them to do? Upload a video of them coding? -.-

I don't fault those who are complaining. I ask to use the brain the Almighty/Nature/w/e gifted you with and realize that acting like a retard when there is nothing to be gained from it is useless at best, harmful at worst.

I believe I asked quite clearly that if they can't "show" us progress than maybe they could tell us what they ARE working on. But that's just... you know... reasonable. Can't have any of that now, can we.

YunSooJin · Jan 13, 2010, 02:27 AM // 02:27

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Originally Posted by Miscreant_Moon

I believe I asked quite clearly that if they can't "show" us progress than maybe they could tell us what they ARE working on. But that's just... you know... reasonable. Can't have any of that now, can we.

regina already told us what they were working on.. not gonna find the post fer ya though

Miscreant_Moon · Jan 13, 2010, 02:38 AM // 02:38

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Originally Posted by YunSooJin

regina already told us what they were working on.. not gonna find the post fer ya though

Because it's not there. We know they were working on lag issues, security issues. How much that involves the Live Team we don't know. I would assume their IT team would handle these issues. Maybe their teams are set up differently though. We have the "list of skills" they were discussing from last month on her journal:

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/User:...naobra/Journal

But since nothing happened with that we don't really have anything now do we? Please, I would really like to be informed. Tell me what the Live Team is addressing and working on right now. It's a general question for anyone. Maybe all their focus is on the Test Krewe? Why all the discussion and no action? Oh, because of the Test Krewe. Which is... discussing still. I don't understand your hostility now YunSooJin, in an ironic turn of events.

Thamior Shamus · Jan 13, 2010, 02:39 AM // 02:39

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Originally Posted by YunSooJin

regina already told us what they were working on.. not gonna find the post fer ya though

the first post in this thread....